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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://faithforfaith.org/2009/09/09/the-problem-with-christians-having-nice-things/comment-page-1/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that materialism is one of the most pervasive and destructive sins in the US, and, tragically, we are so blinded to it. 
 
I think your statements also agree with Matthew 13:44-45, Philippians 3:7-14, and Colossians 3:1-4. 
 
Indeed, may the Lord deliver us from evil and draw us to behold Himself in awe. 
 
Grace and peace. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that materialism is one of the most pervasive and destructive sins in the US, and, tragically, we are so blinded to it.</p>
<p>I think your statements also agree with Matthew 13:44-45, Philippians 3:7-14, and Colossians 3:1-4.</p>
<p>Indeed, may the Lord deliver us from evil and draw us to behold Himself in awe.</p>
<p>Grace and peace.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Matthew Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Matthew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debra, I appreciate your response, but I have to wonder if you read beyond the title of this post. And longing for &quot;nice&quot; things are indeed a design of God, but men in their wickedness have turned them from their proper utilization. Just as sexual longing is a design of God used properly toward a spouse but is corrupted by men in lustfulness and covetousness, so the longing for &quot;nice&quot; things is properly used when it is directed toward longing for God and obeying him. What must considered is does your enjoyment of nice things cause you to disobey God? Are you free to love your neighbor as yourself through accumulation and self-gratification?  
 
Unfortunately, I believe your justification for such longings is philosophical not biblical. You will not find in Scripture any didactic encouragement for the enjoyment of riches. The call of Christ is self-sacrifice in all areas of life to the extent that we love our neighbors as ourselves, which means we are willing and &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; give others the same things we give ourselves.  
 
Grace and peace. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debra, I appreciate your response, but I have to wonder if you read beyond the title of this post. And longing for &quot;nice&quot; things are indeed a design of God, but men in their wickedness have turned them from their proper utilization. Just as sexual longing is a design of God used properly toward a spouse but is corrupted by men in lustfulness and covetousness, so the longing for &quot;nice&quot; things is properly used when it is directed toward longing for God and obeying him. What must considered is does your enjoyment of nice things cause you to disobey God? Are you free to love your neighbor as yourself through accumulation and self-gratification? </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I believe your justification for such longings is philosophical not biblical. You will not find in Scripture any didactic encouragement for the enjoyment of riches. The call of Christ is self-sacrifice in all areas of life to the extent that we love our neighbors as ourselves, which means we are willing and <em>do</em> give others the same things we give ourselves. </p>
<p>Grace and peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Holmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra Holmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The longing for &quot;nice&quot;, i.e. beauty and delight beyond necessity, is a design of God, a reflection of Him! He has given us richly all things to enjoy! This post is difficult to disagree with and not appear immediately at fault. But I am sold out for the Lord AND He has blessed me with a huge variety of &quot;nice&quot; things. It is my privilege and task to live both dependently and delightedly in fellowship with Him and steward my resources in THIS time and in THIS place. For me, that time and place is rich in material blessings, which I share with open hands. 
 
If you study photos of the poorest of the poor, and their environments, you will still see this aspect of God manifested - bright scraps worn to beautify whenever possible, bits of &#039;treasure&#039; that could be bartered but instead are kept about, an irrepressible expression of our Maker, Artist God. 
 
May the Lord delight you today, no matter what else He puts in your hands or in your wallet. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The longing for &quot;nice&quot;, i.e. beauty and delight beyond necessity, is a design of God, a reflection of Him! He has given us richly all things to enjoy! This post is difficult to disagree with and not appear immediately at fault. But I am sold out for the Lord AND He has blessed me with a huge variety of &quot;nice&quot; things. It is my privilege and task to live both dependently and delightedly in fellowship with Him and steward my resources in THIS time and in THIS place. For me, that time and place is rich in material blessings, which I share with open hands.</p>
<p>If you study photos of the poorest of the poor, and their environments, you will still see this aspect of God manifested &#8211; bright scraps worn to beautify whenever possible, bits of &#039;treasure&#039; that could be bartered but instead are kept about, an irrepressible expression of our Maker, Artist God.</p>
<p>May the Lord delight you today, no matter what else He puts in your hands or in your wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing! 
 
I agree with Matt that one does not have to wait until he/she lives out the truth to speak the truth.  It is better to speak the truth than to speak falsely no matter how one lives otherwise (although living out the truth makes the message more effective).  Moreover, it is not any claim of humility to proclaim the truth. 
 
This is a great post.  I would like to bring up some subtle issues: 
 
While pursuit of &quot;nice things&quot; under the sun is a futile chasing after the wind, _having_ them is ethically neutral for the following reasons: 
1. In one&#039;s attempts to glorify God, one sometimes needs capital goods.  Sometimes, having &quot;nicer&quot; capital goods yields higher productivity with which I can give more.  We are to _invest_ what God has given us, not bury it under ground.  (And the Bible gives examples of investments, especially investing in other people, which I think lines up nicely with what your articles suggest.  One could digress much further into this issue.) 
2. Even when &quot;nicer&quot; is not necessary, sometimes &quot;nicer&quot; is _cheaper_.  For example, to me, a banana is &quot;nicer&quot; than an orange, yet it is cheaper.  So the decision to buy lots of bananas but rarely buy oranges is a no-brainer. 
3. Sometimes, someone will give you something nice as a gift.  Sometimes, though what you have may be nice, it might be hard to sell at a fair price--or even a price that makes the sale worth your time.  Sometimes, these goods will help you be more productive if you keep them (depending on what it is). 
4. &quot;Nice&quot; has different meanings to different people in different contexts. 
 
But I think the point you&#039;re making is that we are to pursue glorifying God alone, not, e.g., 10%.  When it comes to material possessions, our focus ought to be on pleasing the Lord, not ourselves, and the result should tend toward lacking what Americans are typically expected to have (e.g. cable TV). 
 
My wife and I are moving out of our apartment to live with my parents (again) this weekend.  I&#039;m finding that the most costly aspect of most of what I own is the time it takes to move it.  The second most costly aspect is the time it takes to sell it... so much so that it&#039;s usually less costly to me to just give it to Goodwill (partly because I don&#039;t have anything with a very high resale value at the moment).  The third most costly aspect is the space it takes up.  All of this comes from a life-long fondness for cheap goods, some of which have assisted me in glorifying God, but some of which are now coming out my nostrils. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing!</p>
<p>I agree with Matt that one does not have to wait until he/she lives out the truth to speak the truth.  It is better to speak the truth than to speak falsely no matter how one lives otherwise (although living out the truth makes the message more effective).  Moreover, it is not any claim of humility to proclaim the truth.</p>
<p>This is a great post.  I would like to bring up some subtle issues:</p>
<p>While pursuit of &quot;nice things&quot; under the sun is a futile chasing after the wind, _having_ them is ethically neutral for the following reasons:</p>
<p>1. In one&#039;s attempts to glorify God, one sometimes needs capital goods.  Sometimes, having &quot;nicer&quot; capital goods yields higher productivity with which I can give more.  We are to _invest_ what God has given us, not bury it under ground.  (And the Bible gives examples of investments, especially investing in other people, which I think lines up nicely with what your articles suggest.  One could digress much further into this issue.)</p>
<p>2. Even when &quot;nicer&quot; is not necessary, sometimes &quot;nicer&quot; is _cheaper_.  For example, to me, a banana is &quot;nicer&quot; than an orange, yet it is cheaper.  So the decision to buy lots of bananas but rarely buy oranges is a no-brainer.</p>
<p>3. Sometimes, someone will give you something nice as a gift.  Sometimes, though what you have may be nice, it might be hard to sell at a fair price&#8211;or even a price that makes the sale worth your time.  Sometimes, these goods will help you be more productive if you keep them (depending on what it is).</p>
<p>4. &quot;Nice&quot; has different meanings to different people in different contexts.</p>
<p>But I think the point you&#039;re making is that we are to pursue glorifying God alone, not, e.g., 10%.  When it comes to material possessions, our focus ought to be on pleasing the Lord, not ourselves, and the result should tend toward lacking what Americans are typically expected to have (e.g. cable TV).</p>
<p>My wife and I are moving out of our apartment to live with my parents (again) this weekend.  I&#039;m finding that the most costly aspect of most of what I own is the time it takes to move it.  The second most costly aspect is the time it takes to sell it&#8230; so much so that it&#039;s usually less costly to me to just give it to Goodwill (partly because I don&#039;t have anything with a very high resale value at the moment).  The third most costly aspect is the space it takes up.  All of this comes from a life-long fondness for cheap goods, some of which have assisted me in glorifying God, but some of which are now coming out my nostrils.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Matthew Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Matthew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate your insight, but if what you said were true, would there ever be any preachers? And it is not as though I and my wife are not taking efforts in this, for we are trying to sell our house as we speak. Though that is beside the point, I believe. I do think there is room for grace where one brother can see his failings and then call other brothers along side him to pursue holiness together. Would it be better for a doctor to wait years to be healed of his disease to tell others that they have the same disease? That would seem unloving to me. And I do speak from a standpoint of victory, because Christ has won the victory on my behalf. Thanks again. Grace and peace. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate your insight, but if what you said were true, would there ever be any preachers? And it is not as though I and my wife are not taking efforts in this, for we are trying to sell our house as we speak. Though that is beside the point, I believe. I do think there is room for grace where one brother can see his failings and then call other brothers along side him to pursue holiness together. Would it be better for a doctor to wait years to be healed of his disease to tell others that they have the same disease? That would seem unloving to me. And I do speak from a standpoint of victory, because Christ has won the victory on my behalf. Thanks again. Grace and peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary A</title>
		<link>http://faithforfaith.org/2009/09/09/the-problem-with-christians-having-nice-things/comment-page-1/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this especially the last paragraph. However I think perhaps you should write it after you have the victory...then it wouldn&#039;t sound so condemning. there is a bigger blessing in obeying God than approaching it from the &quot;I should but I haven&#039;t yet.&quot;  it is always wiser to preach from a standpoint of victory over sin. That takes real humility. Telling others what to do that you are not doing yet is false humility. God loves you faults and all. 
Just my opinion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this especially the last paragraph. However I think perhaps you should write it after you have the victory&#8230;then it wouldn&#039;t sound so condemning. there is a bigger blessing in obeying God than approaching it from the &quot;I should but I haven&#039;t yet.&quot;  it is always wiser to preach from a standpoint of victory over sin. That takes real humility. Telling others what to do that you are not doing yet is false humility. God loves you faults and all.</p>
<p>Just my opinion.</p>
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