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		<title>By: D. Matthew Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Matthew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mark and Jeremy for your comments and kind words. And Jeremy, I certainly appreciate your &quot;quibbles,&quot; as you call them, because by them you point out things that I may not have considered or just simply neglected. So, thank you again beforehand, because I always appreciate and enjoy your input. :) 
 
With regard to your point, namely defining baptism as &quot;a sign and seal of the NC, after Christ&#8217;s ascension, for those who believe,&quot; you are right, and in not writing that myself I assumed it would be implicit. However, we need to be precise with our words (something I fail at more than I would like), and so I thank you for seeing that inconsistency and bringing it to my attention. 
 
With regard to &quot;seal&quot;, I suppose the way I that chose to use it almost makes it synonymous with &quot;sign.&quot; I do see how that could be confusing, for I were to say that baptism is a &lt;em&gt;seal&lt;/em&gt; of the NC on the one hand, and on the other I were say that we are &lt;em&gt;sealed&lt;/em&gt; by the Holy Spirit, I would by the same word mean two different things. I suppose I just went crazy because &lt;em&gt;sign and seal&lt;/em&gt; are just so fun to say together. ;) Grace and peace. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mark and Jeremy for your comments and kind words. And Jeremy, I certainly appreciate your &quot;quibbles,&quot; as you call them, because by them you point out things that I may not have considered or just simply neglected. So, thank you again beforehand, because I always appreciate and enjoy your input. <img src='http://faithforfaith.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>With regard to your point, namely defining baptism as &quot;a sign and seal of the NC, after Christ&rsquo;s ascension, for those who believe,&quot; you are right, and in not writing that myself I assumed it would be implicit. However, we need to be precise with our words (something I fail at more than I would like), and so I thank you for seeing that inconsistency and bringing it to my attention.</p>
<p>With regard to &quot;seal&quot;, I suppose the way I that chose to use it almost makes it synonymous with &quot;sign.&quot; I do see how that could be confusing, for I were to say that baptism is a <em>seal</em> of the NC on the one hand, and on the other I were say that we are <em>sealed</em> by the Holy Spirit, I would by the same word mean two different things. I suppose I just went crazy because <em>sign and seal</em> are just so fun to say together. <img src='http://faithforfaith.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Grace and peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Gage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Gage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Matt.   
 
Of course, you know quite well I always find a quibble :)  Well, I have two.  But the strengths of the article are so great, I didn&#039;t even want to mention them.  Again - well done.   
 
Anyone who does not see baptism this way should give up the title &quot;Reformed Baptist.&quot;  Sadly, I think that would exclude just about everyone we know in the SBC who uses that title for themselves.  This whole thing made me want to say, &quot;Now THAT&#039;S what I&#039;m talkin about!&quot; 
 
I think your definition of baptism (&quot;a sign and a seal of the New Covenant after Christ&#8217;s ascension&quot;) fails in one respect - it&#039;s inconsistent with your argumentation.  I think one&#039;s definition should be able to stand on its own, with as little need for outside clarification as possible. 
 
If baptism is simply &quot;a sign and seal of the NC after Christ&#039;s ascension&quot; - then everyone who is baptized is also signed and sealed in the NC, which of course you would deny (and rightly so).  It seems kind of definitional that having a sign and seal would make one &quot;in.&quot; 
 
To account for this, I would add a clarifying phrase or two, something like: &quot;Baptism is a sign and seal of the NC, after Christ&#039;s ascension, for those who believe.&quot;  It seems redundant, but it qualifies that baptism is not a sign, nor a seal, for those who receive it without faith.  In fact, it would not just lack the positive aspect, baptism for such a man would add to his condemnation, because it shows his access to, and knowledge of, the things of God, and yet he remained in unbelief. 
 
I am also (only a very little bit) uncomfortable with speaking of baptism as a seal.  Scripture never uses that term regarding baptism, but it does about circumcision.  I don&#039;t know if that is a distinction without importance.  A seal is something that authenticates an owner or sender.  It can also bind and keep whatever is sealed.  I&#039;m hesitant to speak of the act of baptism having such power, in the same way that we speak of the Holy Spirit being a seal of our righteousness.   
 
But, as mentioned, circumcision is described that way, and that is powerful enough testimony that I still included the &quot;seal&quot; aspect in the definition of baptism, although I think more work needs to be done to investigate how it differs from the sealing of the Holy Spirit.  I better get to work :)   
 
Thanks for your work on this. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Matt.  </p>
<p>Of course, you know quite well I always find a quibble <img src='http://faithforfaith.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Well, I have two.  But the strengths of the article are so great, I didn&#039;t even want to mention them.  Again &#8211; well done.  </p>
<p>Anyone who does not see baptism this way should give up the title &quot;Reformed Baptist.&quot;  Sadly, I think that would exclude just about everyone we know in the SBC who uses that title for themselves.  This whole thing made me want to say, &quot;Now THAT&#039;S what I&#039;m talkin about!&quot;</p>
<p>I think your definition of baptism (&quot;a sign and a seal of the New Covenant after Christ&rsquo;s ascension&quot;) fails in one respect &#8211; it&#039;s inconsistent with your argumentation.  I think one&#039;s definition should be able to stand on its own, with as little need for outside clarification as possible.</p>
<p>If baptism is simply &quot;a sign and seal of the NC after Christ&#039;s ascension&quot; &#8211; then everyone who is baptized is also signed and sealed in the NC, which of course you would deny (and rightly so).  It seems kind of definitional that having a sign and seal would make one &quot;in.&quot;</p>
<p>To account for this, I would add a clarifying phrase or two, something like: &quot;Baptism is a sign and seal of the NC, after Christ&#039;s ascension, for those who believe.&quot;  It seems redundant, but it qualifies that baptism is not a sign, nor a seal, for those who receive it without faith.  In fact, it would not just lack the positive aspect, baptism for such a man would add to his condemnation, because it shows his access to, and knowledge of, the things of God, and yet he remained in unbelief.</p>
<p>I am also (only a very little bit) uncomfortable with speaking of baptism as a seal.  Scripture never uses that term regarding baptism, but it does about circumcision.  I don&#039;t know if that is a distinction without importance.  A seal is something that authenticates an owner or sender.  It can also bind and keep whatever is sealed.  I&#039;m hesitant to speak of the act of baptism having such power, in the same way that we speak of the Holy Spirit being a seal of our righteousness.  </p>
<p>But, as mentioned, circumcision is described that way, and that is powerful enough testimony that I still included the &quot;seal&quot; aspect in the definition of baptism, although I think more work needs to be done to investigate how it differs from the sealing of the Holy Spirit.  I better get to work <img src='http://faithforfaith.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Thanks for your work on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Calhoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Calhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Matt! I so agree with everything you point out above! What a powerful and irrefutable (though I know many will try to refute) treatment you have given to this subject. I think you biblically disarmed &#039;effectively&#039; the major arguments for Paedobaptism (though Paedobaptists won&#039;t see it, due to their isogetical thinking on this particular subject).  There were a couple of great insights I had never thought of before -and I&#039;ve studied this subject off and on for 20 years.  I appreciate how you are able to be so thorough and exhausting with so few words brother.  Again, God has gifted you in the area of writing and conveying truth. I really appreciate your presentation of this subject! Thank you! And God bless you! :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Matt! I so agree with everything you point out above! What a powerful and irrefutable (though I know many will try to refute) treatment you have given to this subject. I think you biblically disarmed &#039;effectively&#039; the major arguments for Paedobaptism (though Paedobaptists won&#039;t see it, due to their isogetical thinking on this particular subject).  There were a couple of great insights I had never thought of before -and I&#039;ve studied this subject off and on for 20 years.  I appreciate how you are able to be so thorough and exhausting with so few words brother.  Again, God has gifted you in the area of writing and conveying truth. I really appreciate your presentation of this subject! Thank you! And God bless you! <img src='http://faithforfaith.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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